One of my hobbies is Radios. It covers everything from building your own radios with a soldering iron to collecting old police radios and reprogramming them for your own use. It’s pretty fun. Keeps the nerds busy. However, as you dig deeper and deeper into the radio hobby, you will undoubtedly unearth some of the older radios. When the cops upgrade, they dump massive quantities of (for the most part, excellent) radios onto auction sites like eBay. Hams and other radio gurus sweep them up in great quantities. Until you find out one particularly sad fact: you need DOS to program them. And often, the slower the better. More on radios elsewhere, today we cover the DOSmonster.
Enter the Toshiba T1850. A stalwart of the laptop era: a relic from when men were men and boys were boys. Basically, it’s a 25 MHz Intel 386 Architecture Laptop. It’s a gigantic clunky beast which uses a NiCAD battery (remember those?) and has a glorious 3968KB of memory and an 80 MB (or optionally a 120MB) hard drive. It has lots of I/O: A serial port, a parallel port, a (optional) modem, and a PS/2 keybaord.
I first encountered this wondrous creature at my favorite hunting ground, the MIT Swapfest. For those who aren’t familiar, it’s a large festival of nerds buying and selling anything and everything electronic or metal or wood that they have in their vast collections.
The Troubleshooting Begins
I was able to boot my T1850 with ease, however it didn’t find an operating system and that’s where the trouble began. The BIOS (which I eventually discovered could be reached by pressing the ESC key at boot) did not reveal a hard drive, even though there was most clearly one plugged in. I promptly ordered a CF to IDE adapter and plugged it into the computer.
But then the puzzling began: it didn’t see the adapter. A tremendous google search on the (nearly zero) websites describing this laptop revealed my problem. The laptop uses the IBM AT bus, a pre ATA bus standard which, although it has basically the same pinout, is completely incompatible with the IDE ATA standard. The bus width is 16 bits as opposed to the IDE’s 32, and the problems continue.
The Battery (an aside)
Both of my T1850s came with original NiCD battery packs. But there was the problem: the computers didn’t recognize that they had batteries, and they didn’t charge them. While Lithium cells today will “die” if they are discharged below a minimum level, NiCDs do not have the same vulnerability. My hypothesis: the low voltage caused by 15 years of storage caused the computer not to recognize the presence of the cell. Strapping a charger to the cell, I boosted the voltage to its nominal value with a few minutes of charging. Low and behold, a full 45 seconds of runtime on a pack! (I’ll probably re-cell one of these packs. I have a desire to bring this computer into lecture to take notes. I’m that guy.)
The Fix Appears
So I gave in. To eBay I ran and found another T1850 with functional 120 MB (!) hard drive. I will admit to being slightly scared, as I now have one (1) functional hard drive for my computer. That hard drive was manufactured probably before I was born (10/1/92), and it, like me, is not getting any younger.
So all in all, between the two computers I now have one completely functional Toshiba T1850 laptop. Thanks to the readiness of at least one more eBay unit available, I’ll probably purchase another one just to make sure I don’t end up dead in the water. Unfortunately, one of my units is locked in my dorm for the next week, but I’ll most certainly update this once I get it running DOS. The hardware serial port will enable rapid and efficient programming of radios that require processors this slow (primarily the HT1000 and also GTX lab RSS). But more on that once the madness continues.
21 thoughts on “Toshiba T1850: The Land Before Windows”
Hi, Nicholas. Great to see you trying to get this one up an running. I had a T1850 in 1993, “inherited” from my father who got an IBM or a newer Satellite back then.
I used this one with Windows 3.1, DOS 5.0 probably, WordPerfect, lots of gaming and accessing BBS with an external modem, which would leave me without the mouse in Windows so I had to resort to DOS communication programs, possibly Telix, since I am pretty sure I used Terminate on a 486 and not on this one.
Those were the days… 🙂
Is their an alternative flash memory I can use Instead of the harddrive?
You need the correct pre-IDE bus. It’s definitely doable but I’m not sure which adapter will do the trick.
The Toshiba T1850C does take standard IDE (PATA) 2.5″ drives. The AT-Bus you mention refers to the memory+I/O bus of the of the 386SX itself, not that of the separate hard-disk interface (PATA).
However, the BIOS in the T1850C will only recognise small-capacity drives with a specific limited set of number of heads/tracks/sectors-per-track (unlike modern machines, it is not smart enough to *ask* the drive for it’s logical geometry). In particular, the Conner CP2084 (80Mb), Toshiba MK-2024FC (80Mb) and Conner CP2124 (120Mb) all work fine in the T1850C – those are the drives that Toshiba provided as standard with the machine. All three of those also work perfectly in other much newer laptops with IDE/PATA bays – for instance, Dell Latitude D630 (2006, Intel Pentium M 750 @ 1600 MHz), and so on, and so on.
Ah, thank you for the clarification. There must have been a bit more to the problem given that the controller would choke on an unpartitioned drive, but I probably could have gotten around that by writing a partition table to the drive externally.
After being able to run all of the applications I needed on a Toughbook running Win98 DOS mode I (alas) ended up ditching this experiment :/
I forgot about the early BIOS limitations. 540mb comes to mind for some reason. I bet a small CF card would work, like one of the 64mb Cisco ones.
My wife just cleared her wardrobe and unearthed a T1850. If you or anybody else wants it, they can, for free, or it will be dumped.
I will hang on for a couple of weeks.
Do you by chance still have it?
I’he just bought T1850C (sold as not working). It have a problem with display and no hard drive (even the hdd ribbon is missing). I make external FDD cable, and boot it up, but 1.44Mb is all i’ve got (((
Are you dumped it already, Steve? )
Hello Max! Do you still have the laptop? How did you make the external FDD cable? I have a T1850 with a broken FDD and am unable to copy anything to it. Your help would be ver welcome! Thank you!
Nog net niet weggegooid mijn T1850, maar wel vandaag de HDD er uit gehaald en daarna pas op deze site terecht gekomen. Wie hem hebben wil (HD in overleg) hoeft maar een berichtje te sturen. Accupack is er niet meer.
Just not thrown away my T1850, but I removed the HDD today and only ended up on this site. Whoever wants it (HD in consultation) just need to send a message. Battery pack is no longer there.
Nog een PS over de T1850:
Alle bijbehorende boeken heb ik ook nog liggen
Another PS about the T1850:
I also have all the accompanying books
Hello Hans, I’m interested by your T1850, especially the accompanying books (as I’m currently trying to repair a badly damaged T1910, which is similar…) !
Hope you are still reding this topic…
Thanks anyway !
@hans ik wil die 1850C wel hebben ik zit ook in nederland
I have a working Toshiba T1850 complete with Hdd that needs to be formatted and OS reinstalled. Is it worth anything?
Probably not 😉 Unless someone really wants it.
I ‘m searching for an old t1850, doyou still have the it?
If you can show that floppy and HDD works fine, I would say up to 100€, if not you could get arount 30€.
Maybe for clarification: It seems that the Toshiba laptops of that time had a special recognition of HDDs. For example the 2000SXe BIOS reads aout a 6 digit string which represents the HDD. If that does not match with specific HDD’s which are saved in the BIOS it wont recognize it. (like “CP2084”). There can be found a modded version of the BIOS for it, I flashed the BIOS and now it workds perfectly with a CF-IDE Adapter and 504 MB.
Hello, my name is Javier and I write from Spain, I need to find 2 Toshiba T1850 monochrome / color screens, if anyone has any write to me. firstname.lastname@example.org
I have 3 this kind of laptops：Toshiba T1960 & T1850 & T2400 :).
All of them work on dos 6.22 and windows 3.1 , fine!
Floppy drivers are repaired by replacing the belt.
HDD drivers replaced by CF card .
Battery died，cells was hollowed out .
Other 2 laptops (T1850 & T2200) can’t be repaired due to the malfunction of mainboard (corroded by leaked battery fluid) .